100 mpg for my old car - really?
While reading through the newest issue of Popular Science Magazine the other day, I found a small article, actually more an advertisement, claiming that a regular Mazda 6 car was able to get 121 miles per gallon in fuel economy. I thought they had invented a new system to improve on the existing hybrid technology, but the second sentence already said: “It’s not a hybrid – and it’s not an electric car.
This made me curious and I read the text – only about a page. As it turns out, they are talking about a new – two step technology. The first step can be put into any car or truck right now, the second is still under development. Her is what I learned at the companies website about step 1:
How does the Hydro Assist Fuel Cell system work?
The Hydro Assist Fuel Cell is a combination of long standing, proven technologies. It works by extracting a hydrogen-oxygen mixture from water by ionizing it with electricity from the battery. This mixture adds extra hydrogen to your fuel, which burns easily and powerfully and enriches your fuel mixture, giving you added mileage and power. The oxygen increases the octane value of your fuel. The system also uses six powerful magnets that ionize the gasoline to produce smaller molecules and help separate the compounds into simple elements so they burn more completely. And, a specially formulated “covalizer” breaks down the covalent bonds of the long chain gas molecules and helps “crack” and vaporize your fuel as well as increase the life of your engine. A perfectly balanced mixture of hydrogen and oxygen enriches the fuel so the computer can lean out the gas. Our special computer controls the car’s existing computer and keeps it from rejecting the savings.
The HAFC Technology …
• Vaporizes and ionizes the fuel breaking it down for a cleaner and more complete burn
• Produces Water Gas which adds hydrogen and oxygen to the fuel mixture to increase mileage and reduce carbon emissions
As A Result You Get …
• Increased mileage — 50% minimum guaranteed!
• A cleaner engine that lasts longer
• More horsepower & better performance
• Dramatic decrease in exhaust pollution
If you want to learn more about the details and what the second step will do when the technology is going into mass production, go to:
http://www.preignitioncc.com/ps/index.htm
Another pretty cool thing is that you can actually send a message to the company and ask for a quote specifically for your car, make and model. Within a few days, you get a reply via email. Here is the link to ask for the quote:
http://www.preignitioncc.com/ps/addQuote.php
Here is what I got back for my 1996 BMW 328 IC:
Thank you for your recent request for an obligation free quote on our engine modification process for your car(s.) It is a two-step process and we must quote each step in the process separately, since the first step is already on the market and the second step (the PICC) is not yet market ready, I will give you a quote now on the Hydro-Assist Fuel Cell. This first step (the HAFC kit) is GUARANTEED to increase your gas mileage by 50% or better, but we expect it to possibly more than double it. In fact, our test pilot program of the first 80 installations in our class projects averaged an increased mileage of 95%.
The HAFC Kit price, for your car is $1,040 Plus $25(shipping and
handling) for a total of $1,065.00 and is absolutely guaranteed to increase your mileage by at least 50% or you will be cheerfully refunded the cost of the kit upon the return of the kit as per our savings guarantee policy. The question is, would you pay a thousand dollars to be guaranteed an increase of 50% or better in miles traveled per gallon of gasoline? There is a high likelihood you will even double your gas mileage, but that is not guaranteed to happen, so let’s just take the first statement. If you drive 15,000 miles per year, and are getting 20 miles per gallon average, then you are using 750 gallons of gasoline a year. If you could be guaranteed to change that to 30 miles per gallon then you would use 500 gallons instead.
That is a savings of 250 gallons of gasoline. It is like getting 250 gallons of free gas each year! At $3 per gallon, that is $750 saved in one year. But gas is expected to go to $4 per gallon and that is a savings of $1,000 in one year. If you drive 20,000 miles per year, then it is more like 334 gallons of free gas. Of course the kit has often doubled the original mileage of the vehicle it is installed on, and, in that event, a one year payback is in the bag. Our Fuel Cell kit is expected to last the life of the vehicle and it will greatly increase the life of your engine.
As you can see, with installation by a mechanic, I am looking at about $1400 to $1500. Since I am not driving that much it would probably take about 3 years to make my money back (at current gas prices). For a newer vehicle it probably makes sense, and if step 2 of this process/system becomes available the savings will probably be even more impressive. The other aspect is reducing dependence on oil and feeling good about doing something for the environment. In that sense, getting the investment back eventually is great, but the fact of taking action in the first place is probably at least as valuable.
Does this mean everything is great, rosy, a-OK? - Not necessarily. As part of the message for my quote was a somewhat strange statement by the company. It said:
We regret that the volume of orders we are experiencing takes us out of the range of credit card carriers. We are too successful too fast to be able to process credit card purchases at this time. If we were doing less volume we could. That is good for us in one way and bad in another. We hope the inconvenience of having to pay by check is not too burdensome to our customers.
If you have any questions, I would like to refer you to the HAFC
website, www.hafctechnology.com especially to the Frequently
Asked Questions (FAQ) section of the site. If there is anything you need to know that is not covered on the web site you originally visited or on the HAFC site, please do not hesitate to e-mail me @ ddpbunker@gmail.com
That concerns me because great companies put customer satisfaction on top of everything. Making it inconvenient and excusing it with enough orders coming in is not a good sign. I don’t mean to indicate that you should not try this opportunity, but be careful. I tried to find a mailing address or anything like that, but all I found was the email contact info provided above. I would love for people give it a try with a car a little newer than mine and report back.
The thought of this new method is exciting and when I get a newer car I will check it out again. Maybe by that time both step 1 and step 2 will be available.
Doubling the fuel mileage would be awesome, 100 mpg, would be wonderful. It appears it will be possible very soon, if not already.
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exconvict Dennis Lee is behind this. He has been promising free electricity the last 20 years and a number of different high mileage systems for the last 5. Lot’s of scams like this have promised 100mpg or running engines on water. I recommend not parting with money till you confirm high mileage on a test car. Think about it, if this stuff worked, this company which offers no physical address would not pay 100’s of thousands for full page ads like in newsweek, they would just prove it to a few media people and the news would be free publicity. Of course they will say a big conspiracy is the reason why even small town newspaper reporters can’t be trusted as an independent source.
eric krieg
I Visited your web-site, Mr Kreig, but I suspend judgment on what you claim on the site until I have reviewed it further. Regarding the Newsweek and Popular Science ads, I am glad to see them because I personally have witnessed two vehicles with the HAFC modifications installed. The first was a ‘96 Honda Accord that went from 33 mpg to 103 mpg and is still getting that mileage. This modification occurred in Oct 2007 in Mew Mexico. The second modification was on a 2006 Scion that went from 39 mpg to 109 mpg. This modification occurred in Nov 2007, also in New Mexico.
There are 2 other modifications scheduled to happen 02/04/08. The first is a 2002 Honda Oddessy and the other will be a 2004 Toyota Tundra Pickup with a V8. I will update on this blog when I have the results. I am a supporter of Dennis Lee and I think I met him once in Idaho at one of the demonstrations, but I am not sure it was him. As a Christian man, I understand where Lee is coming from, even though his detractors, including Mr. Krieg may not. I operate from the “what if standpoint” What if the technology is true, http://kingsandpriests.net/dennisleescamster.pdf. What if the majority is wrong? And history is full of events of the mob being wrong. What if there really is a “conspiracy”? Think about it. If we can put a man on the moon 40 years ago, and we have lived to witness the exponential growth of technology, why have the auto makers (big business) not exceeded 35 mpg routinely without government mandate? (That will supposedly still take 12 years to go into effect) Could it be a thing between big oil and big auto. Whose best interest is served by 100 mpg? Certainly not oil and auto. I say 100 mpg is in the best interest of small business and the regular Joe. I say let it unfold in the free market exclusive if media endorsement. Who needs the media? The free market will always weed out the charlatans and the fools.
One other item Mr. Krieg. Please provide at least 2 documented “high mileage systems” failures. I provided 2 that I have personally witnessed, and 2 others pending that I am willing to provide evidence for. You, on the other hand, have made baseless and unfounded allegations. Where’s the beef?
Hey Mark Zamora WRONG…..USA never put 1st man on moon!…….The whole mission on the moon was faked and should be taken out of history. Its proven by new technology in the analysis of film and photo footage taken in 1964. USA claims no originals are available but News channel archive shows a different story under scruteny.If its real then the likes of Google founders etc would jump at the chance to be behind such a new revoloution………..Whats real is the Electric car see this link….Ed
http://www.teslamotors.com/
Ed the teslamotors.com stuff is cool. I have run into the man on the moon fraud theory, but have never given it serious consideration. I’m not saying that i won’t, just that I have ran into it in passing. Be that as it may, that was not my point. My point was the exponential increases of knowledge and technology surely by now would have answered the fuel economy question. BTW Ed, have you checked out http://preignitioncc.com/ ?
Mark,
the vast majority of dealers I have emailed (and they can’t come forward because they aren’t allowed to talk to me and aren’t even supposed to talk to each other) say they don’t have it working and hope to soon to. One guy who said it was working threatend to beat me up if he meets me so that rules out an in person confirmation. Tell me about the test of mileage that you ran - if it is Dennis’s machiens - well he already has a track record of faking readings. A simple test that would convince me (and I have been begging Dennis and followers to let me do this for years) is top off, read odometer, drive a known route for about 50 miles, read odemeter, top off and record gallons. I have been proposing this simple test for a thrid party person for my last 10 years of hearing high mileage claims. As near as I can tell, they are all con men who hide behind conspiracy theory when people get too close.
Wouldn’t it make sense to have some of these 100 cars already converted to be tested by small town newspaper journalists and get free coverage, not to soak elderly MLM victims for 100’s of thousands to put unnecessary full page ads out? Why should not one person in SE PA just show me and convert me from biggest critic to biggest supporter? email me at erickrieg@verizon and tell me and this list about the test you witnessed.
eric
answering a comment up there. Did you see the vehicles that were claimed to get the mileage? or did you actually test them yourself? I have been making an open offer to arrange for testing by someone who is not part of the HAFC MLM chain. I know a group in NM who would be happy to test the claim and getting other volunteers willing to test one.
Other high mileage scams have been Pogue, Pantone, Meyers and the guy who was promising 113mpg. Lee’s TEEG high mileage from 6 years ago when he partnered with another ex convict, Paul Pantone did nothing but make people broke. Dennis Lee’s current HAFC promotion has spent millions, but no one can find even one owner willing to do an open test. All the dealers I contact in secret are waiting for it even though a few hundred people are said to be trained. something is fishy here. I have already talked to people who can’t get their money back.
eric
I was interested in this product but cannot see how it will improve fuel economy. I, like Eric will have to see a working system installed before I would ever purchase this. This system is using simple electrolysis to breakdown water into hydrogen and oxygen and then feed it into your intake (60 or 120 liters per hour) at a cost of 15 or 30 amps of electricity (200 or 400 watts) which of course puts an additional drain on available horsepower from the engine and therefore increased fuel usage. Likely it takes more energy to convert the water to gas then you will get back from burning the water gas produced. (Thats why we aren’t already cracking water into hydrogen and oxygen for use as fuel, it takes more energy to break h20 bond than you get back when burned)
A 2.0 liter engine at 2000 rpm will draw in 1000 liters of fuel/air to be burned every minute. If the (water/gas) burns at same ratio as gasoline/air 15:1, the engine would consume the entire claimed production of (water gas in 1min or 2 min)
This HAFC Manual tells me that it cannot possibly work, all I see is a poor running engine and a loss of fuel mileage. (Heated fuel = vapor locking problems)
Use of magnets and chemicals and preheating fuel are already known for no measurable increases in fuel mileage.
I would be willing to fly to anywhere one of these wonder cars are at to be made a believer.
I’m understanding you, but I’m not agreeing with you. But anyway I’m sorry that I don’t know the right thing to do in that situation
All discussion of the fuel system aside, the pure nonsense about accepting credit cards makes me feel certain this is a scam. They are experiencing too many orders to accept credit cards?? Makes no sense at all. This is a huge red flag.
I would also have to disagree if you look at your gas mileage during the summer vs the winter you are getting different numbers and that has to do with the heat. I do believe that yes there is a limit to the amount of heat you can use to heat up gas without out causing a vapor lock situation. It is just a matter of knowing what the limits are before getting a vapor lock situation. I was reading on an other site that made a good point for those here as a reminder and that is that fuel is always moving during normal operation and would not have a long enough time to cause vapor lock and also vapor lock only happened on the older cars with external fuel pumps, modern cars with in tank fuel pumps push the gas where external fuel pumps pull the gas and vapors can’t be pulled through the fuel system. I could swear that I have heard of this type of thing before years ago near the start of the newer EFI cars and was incorporated into the rad assembly with additional gas line running through the rads cooling jacket on the sides of the rad.
I have been working with alt fuels for about 10 years propane cng even veggie oil and bio fuels I have a HAFC kit in my shop today right now I have called our local fox news station we are going to work side by side I have been called by people from all over can this be done I believe it can be Is simple no I dont think it will be.YOU have to understand CCC systems.Even with LP CNG Veggie oil and bio fuels there are things that have to changed in the CCC system if you dont understand CCC then you do not have what it takes bottom line learn and get knowledge then learn how to apply it using your hands.CCC means computer command control very basic
You want to see a fuel cell at work? then come to Greeneville, TN and see mind at work. Iwas getting 12.9 MPG and now I get 19.5 MPG and that is without tuning the fuel cells computer. I will be getting that accomplished next week and expect to get 25-30 MPG then. They do accept credit cards, I paid for my HAFC with my credit card. The only reason they do not want to accept the credit cards, it cost them money.
In july of this year I had an HAFC installed on my 2000 Camry. It was installed in New Jersy during a installer training class. When I picked up my car I was told that my first mileage test was 36 mpg and there last test was 56 mpg. On my drive home I checked mileage and it was 28 mpg. I have keeped a record of my mileage before the install and each time I fillup since the install. I got 28 mpg before the install and 28 mpg after the install. So in my opinion this system does not work. And good luck gettiing any help from them after you have paid them.They don’t even respond to your questions.
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